Renee. first, thanks so much for the eloquence and beauty you bring forth in describing the maturation and flowering of the ‘Matter of the Heart’.
Secondly, just finished reading the discourse between you and Kimberly on the ‘primordial spaciousness’ and ‘the noise of the ego’. And my breath became taken away recalling passages I read just yesterday from Pinkola-Estes book “Women Who Run With the Wolves” in the section ‘Homing: Returning to Oneself’.
So I quote: “So we see that the union of opposites between ego and soul produces something of infinite value, the spirit child. And it is true that even when the ego roughly intrudes upon the more subtle aspects of psyche and soul, a cross-fertilization takes place. “…the ego participates in making a child who will claim dual heritage, world and soul, one who will be able to carry messages and gifts back and forth between the two.”
Later Clarissa writes, “The spirit child is La Niña Milagrosa, a miracle child, who has the ability to hear the call, hear the far off voice that says it is time to come back, back to oneself….It is the child rising out of sleep, out of bed, out of the house, and out into the wind-filled night and down to the wild sea…”
Later still, “[The seal maiden] is forming the child, teaching it the terrain and the ways of the “other.” The soul is preparing the wildish child of the psyche for something very important.”
And lastly, “So it is a gift from the immense vitality of the psyche, then, that there is deep in the unconsciousness a caller, an old one who rises to the surface of our consciousness and begins to incessantly call us back to our true natures.”
Could the ‘primordial spaciousness’ be the same as our ‘true nature’ and the ‘spirit child’ the bridge back to this?
And I, too, have had such callings — a bodiless voice in the dark, the hand reaching out from under the covers grabbing my wrist, the ‘Green Woman’ rising from the black abyss right beneath my feet.
Dear Mark, Your reflections generously add new dimensions to the conversation, and my response spirals around. You have given me pause to reflect.
In the passages you share, Clarissa Pinkola-Estes gives us in the image of the spirit child a courier, carrying messages and gifts back and forth between world and soul. The spirit child is also that one in whom the call from the far-off voice can be heard, a voice that says it is time to “come back, back to oneself . . . incessantly call us back to our true natures.”
Your question: Could the 'primordial spaciousness' be the same as our true nature and the 'spirit child' the bridge back to this?
Permit me to begin by backing up, and let us flesh out the phrase "primordial spaciousness," which Kimberly offered so poetically. In our quietest moments, we can feel within our body this spaciousness. It has a felt quality of being open to an everywhere aliveness. The “spaciousness” has a porous fluidity about it, turning both to the aliveness of the world and to the innermost vital movement within.
You ask, is this our true nature? What we are calling “primordial spaciousness” is a quality of indwelling wholeness; its primordial nature is originary presence, innocent and open to all that is, within and without. Indwelling wholeness is our true nature. I echo you that the spirit child would seem to be a bridge; the bridge: awareness itself, recalling the far-off voice of our true nature, wholly open to this every moment streaming toward us.
In Truth & Reality IT all begins when for the first time in human history The Divine Conscious Light Incarnates in a living-feeling-breathing bodily human form, right down to the toes.
This reference describes His Illuminated Experience at birth
Hi Zippy, welcome to Beyond the Comfort Zone. I am heartened that this essay inspired your own reflexivity. It is always the hope that these letters and meditative essays give pause for wonder, lived inquiry, and whispers of inspiration to enter "unknowing," especially as we begin this series exploring the "matter of the heart." Thank you for being here.
“Imagine the inner aliveness of you—the you whom you do not know to be inclined to label as me—abiding whole with and as the aliveness of the world.” Do you think this primordial spaciousness is still accessible, even with this noise of self? How joyful to remember a time when consciousness wasn’t contained within form, but like you say so beautifully, “streaming toward the human like waves ceasing ashore.” I feel like I tap into this multiple times throughout each day, simply through observing nature and feeling the no-separation of our energy.
Kimberly, so good to hear your voice, dear Friend, and to reflect on your question: "Do you think this primordial spaciousness is still accessible, even with this noise of self?" It is a beautiful question. Gebser would offer an unhesitating yes. And your own experiences of tapping into this multiple times a day certainly echo this insight. The earlier modes of being become obscured by each successive mode, and none more so than the "noise of self," i.e., ego-consciousness. Ego-consciousness is inherently noisy. It gives us the necessary backbone to stand in this world, but it is forever telling stories about this or that. Beholding the aliveness of the natural world, whole bodied, without naming quiets the overactive discursive mind and allows for a quality of perceptual porousness, "feeling the no-separation of our energy." The aliveness of the natural world seems to recall in us that primordial spaciousness. Thou meets Thou. It comes as no surprise that you abide this way.
Renee. first, thanks so much for the eloquence and beauty you bring forth in describing the maturation and flowering of the ‘Matter of the Heart’.
Secondly, just finished reading the discourse between you and Kimberly on the ‘primordial spaciousness’ and ‘the noise of the ego’. And my breath became taken away recalling passages I read just yesterday from Pinkola-Estes book “Women Who Run With the Wolves” in the section ‘Homing: Returning to Oneself’.
So I quote: “So we see that the union of opposites between ego and soul produces something of infinite value, the spirit child. And it is true that even when the ego roughly intrudes upon the more subtle aspects of psyche and soul, a cross-fertilization takes place. “…the ego participates in making a child who will claim dual heritage, world and soul, one who will be able to carry messages and gifts back and forth between the two.”
Later Clarissa writes, “The spirit child is La Niña Milagrosa, a miracle child, who has the ability to hear the call, hear the far off voice that says it is time to come back, back to oneself….It is the child rising out of sleep, out of bed, out of the house, and out into the wind-filled night and down to the wild sea…”
Later still, “[The seal maiden] is forming the child, teaching it the terrain and the ways of the “other.” The soul is preparing the wildish child of the psyche for something very important.”
And lastly, “So it is a gift from the immense vitality of the psyche, then, that there is deep in the unconsciousness a caller, an old one who rises to the surface of our consciousness and begins to incessantly call us back to our true natures.”
Could the ‘primordial spaciousness’ be the same as our ‘true nature’ and the ‘spirit child’ the bridge back to this?
And I, too, have had such callings — a bodiless voice in the dark, the hand reaching out from under the covers grabbing my wrist, the ‘Green Woman’ rising from the black abyss right beneath my feet.
Affectionately, Mark.
Dear Mark, Your reflections generously add new dimensions to the conversation, and my response spirals around. You have given me pause to reflect.
In the passages you share, Clarissa Pinkola-Estes gives us in the image of the spirit child a courier, carrying messages and gifts back and forth between world and soul. The spirit child is also that one in whom the call from the far-off voice can be heard, a voice that says it is time to “come back, back to oneself . . . incessantly call us back to our true natures.”
Your question: Could the 'primordial spaciousness' be the same as our true nature and the 'spirit child' the bridge back to this?
Permit me to begin by backing up, and let us flesh out the phrase "primordial spaciousness," which Kimberly offered so poetically. In our quietest moments, we can feel within our body this spaciousness. It has a felt quality of being open to an everywhere aliveness. The “spaciousness” has a porous fluidity about it, turning both to the aliveness of the world and to the innermost vital movement within.
You ask, is this our true nature? What we are calling “primordial spaciousness” is a quality of indwelling wholeness; its primordial nature is originary presence, innocent and open to all that is, within and without. Indwelling wholeness is our true nature. I echo you that the spirit child would seem to be a bridge; the bridge: awareness itself, recalling the far-off voice of our true nature, wholly open to this every moment streaming toward us.
With gratitude for your additions, Mark.
In Truth & Reality IT all begins when for the first time in human history The Divine Conscious Light Incarnates in a living-feeling-breathing bodily human form, right down to the toes.
This reference describes His Illuminated Experience at birth
http://www.kneeoflistening.com/chapter-one/6
This reference describes our Real situation
http://www.consciousnessitself.org
http://beezone.com/current/authority_certainty_freedom2.html
Apart from that Narcissus rules to here:
http://beezone.com/narcissus.html
And his/her hell-deep fear of death
http://beezone.com/latest/death_message.html
Hi Zippy, welcome to Beyond the Comfort Zone. I am heartened that this essay inspired your own reflexivity. It is always the hope that these letters and meditative essays give pause for wonder, lived inquiry, and whispers of inspiration to enter "unknowing," especially as we begin this series exploring the "matter of the heart." Thank you for being here.
“Imagine the inner aliveness of you—the you whom you do not know to be inclined to label as me—abiding whole with and as the aliveness of the world.” Do you think this primordial spaciousness is still accessible, even with this noise of self? How joyful to remember a time when consciousness wasn’t contained within form, but like you say so beautifully, “streaming toward the human like waves ceasing ashore.” I feel like I tap into this multiple times throughout each day, simply through observing nature and feeling the no-separation of our energy.
Kimberly, so good to hear your voice, dear Friend, and to reflect on your question: "Do you think this primordial spaciousness is still accessible, even with this noise of self?" It is a beautiful question. Gebser would offer an unhesitating yes. And your own experiences of tapping into this multiple times a day certainly echo this insight. The earlier modes of being become obscured by each successive mode, and none more so than the "noise of self," i.e., ego-consciousness. Ego-consciousness is inherently noisy. It gives us the necessary backbone to stand in this world, but it is forever telling stories about this or that. Beholding the aliveness of the natural world, whole bodied, without naming quiets the overactive discursive mind and allows for a quality of perceptual porousness, "feeling the no-separation of our energy." The aliveness of the natural world seems to recall in us that primordial spaciousness. Thou meets Thou. It comes as no surprise that you abide this way.
"a quality of perceptual porousness" - - committing this expression to memory!
I would say you embody this quality.